kaiserfraud ([info]corphq) wrote,
@ 2006-12-11 11:13:00
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Entry tags:abu ghraib, joe darby, kaiser patients, kaiser permanente, kaiser tech, kaiser workers, whistleblower

Those Kaiser IT Drama Queens
More Kaiser EMR outages are detailed in this article. After asserting that Kaiser physicians don't care about improving the EMR as much as he does, Kaiser's Interim CIO Turkstra lowers his goal for EMR uptime to 99.7% (in the talking points document Kaiser circulated about Justen, the goal is held to be 99.9%). 99.7% is actually pretty low - remember, incidents don't "average out" - an average of 4 minutes a day could mean half an hour during the week.

The article describes several "critical patient issues", including a baby endangered in the NICU (neonatal intensive care unit), but Turkstra dismisses the wording of the incident report as "dramatic". Yep, those tech support folk are some of the most drama-prone people in the working world. Every time someone loses an email at Kaiser, 15 guys run in little circles, screaming and tearing their hair out. ;-)

In other news, a doctor describes frustrations with the Kaiser system from the patient point of view:

Dr. Min Su said he found it hard to believe when patients expressed frustrations in dealing with the health system for which he worked. This week, the Modestan found himself in those patients' shoes, battling the system after an insurance flap caused his premature twins to be split between two hospitals [Kaiser wanted the weaker of two twins to be moved to a Kaiser hospital]....The Kaiser health system did not literally "require" the transfer, but a case manager said the parents would have to pay for the charges [if one of the twins remained at an outside hospital]...

..."I heard a lot of patient complaints about Kaiser," Su said. "Now, I realize they provide good care for the healthy patients, but when the big one comes, they don't care. They just care about saving money."

...As a former physician for Kaiser, Su said, he was able to appeal to officials in Kaiser management to resolve the issue, something that is rarely possible for regular patients...."I got nowhere going through normal channels," he said. "I can see it is frustrating for people who are looking for help and don't know where to go."

Lastly, has anyone been reading the story of Abu Ghraib whistleblower Joe Darby? This poor guy can't even go back to his own hometown because everyone thinks he's a rat who betrayed his buddies for handing over PICTURES OF PEOPLE BEING TORTURED FOR KICKS. What is wrong with this country? Silencing whistleblowers (including discouraging them through loud humiliation and abuse) and hiding such atrocities helps perpetuate them. And this isn't just about a few people who were unluckily subjected to torture - though that should be reason enough in a civilized society - it's about whether we want the respect and admiration of the rest of the world. That respect and admiration has to be earned: the world is not a high school where Americans automatically get the privileges of being pretty and popular just because they can afford a nose job and a new car.

Update: A little birdy pointed out that the Business Times included a wonderful wrap-up of the mystery of the phony press release on Friday.
If it turns out to be a complete con job, it's a darn good one: Not only did the writer capture PR-speak perfectly -- he/she also knows an awful lot about Kaiser. All of the names and titles check out. Korn/Ferry, the search firm listed, is the one Kaiser used last time its top job was open. The media contact number listed is the real one. And Kaiser frequently uses PR Newswire to pump out its actual news releases.



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Foot in mouth!
(Anonymous)
2006-12-11 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Did Bruce Turkstra really say what the article says he said? Cause those are like you're-fired words. I don't think there's a doctor at Kaiser who wants some IT guy telling them that he cares more about patient safety than they do. Not words of endearment on Turkstra's behalf, I think.

Wait, he's the Interim CIO, right? Can they have an Interim Interim CIO? Cause they might already, once a couple of physician CEOs at Kaiser read that article..

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Re: Foot in mouth!
[info]corphq
2006-12-11 06:59 pm UTC (link)
I know - and all those health-care-suck-up bloggers are meeting in Washington, D.C. right now to discuss what organizations like Kaiser can "do about" critics (re: suppress or retaliate). Kaiser really needs to look to it's own slackers-in-charge for what's really making them look bad.

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Re: Foot in mouth!
(Anonymous)
2006-12-11 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Please keep in mind that Turkstra comes to the IT organization from the HealthConnect side of the house (two separate organizations). He lead that effort before his new role as interim CIO. So he has a vested interest in KPHC's success.

I also found his quote regarding the overly 'dramatic' wording to be a bit curious. Wonder if he'd say the same thing regarding the 747 analogies floating around a year or so back in KP-IT....

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Re: Foot in mouth!
[info]corphq
2006-12-11 09:43 pm UTC (link)
LOL - yep, there's a lot more drama packed into Kaiser's motivational messages.

I think it's even more foot-in-mouth if Turkstra comes from HealthConnect: wasn't that split justified by the idea of physician voice/control? And here Turkstra is coming out of that context to say the physicians themselves are satisfied with less. Feel the burn!

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Press release?
(Anonymous)
2006-12-12 11:25 am UTC (link)
So is the consensus that the press release wasn't accurate at all? Is George Halvorson still firmly holding on to his job? The fact that their spokesperson wouldn't deny that it wasn't just an accidental release seemed really odd to me. What do you think?

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Re: Press release?
[info]corphq
2006-12-12 05:43 pm UTC (link)
I have no way of verifying anything, so I have no idea. Here are the possibilities.

1) It's a practical joke. The person responsible may work, or may have worked, for Kaiser because of the real-esque details.

2) It's real. The press release was leaked before it was even sent to PR Newswire. Kaiser quickly changed its plans to make the press release seem false.

3) A Kaiser PR person leaked the press release in an attempt to discredit blogs and also to create a news event that would give Kaiser another chance to issue quotes and get control of the "story" of the situation.

I don't lean in any particular direction, though, because I don't know anything. If it's scenario #2, though, I hope it remains a mystery.

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Doctor battles to reunite newborn twins
(Anonymous)
2006-12-12 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Here's one for you:

http://www.modbee.com/local/v-dp_morning/story/13096966p-13746819c.html

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Re: Doctor battles to reunite newborn twins
[info]corphq
2006-12-12 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Yes, that's the article I'm quoting above. I usually put the article I'm sourcing as a link in the first sentence.

In the case of the Business Times articles, right-click on the link, copy the url, and paste it in your browser address bar. I've been told that if you just click on it, you won't get the whole article.

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Rubbish!
(Anonymous)
2006-12-13 02:08 am UTC (link)
You've got good Google placement for keywords relating to Kaiser Permanente and its CEO George Halvorson. Your insight and eye toward the things KP PR probably doesn't want covered is very refreshing and very valuable in a world where objectivity in the media and honesty in business are hard to find.

Just had to get that out of the way. I was hoping to find some additional coverage and analysis of Kaiser CEO George Halvorson's recent statements about making health coverage universal. Given the recent issues at KP (like coverage dropping and patient dumping) his commitment seems a little less than genuine. Maybe the effort is worth something, anyway?

I thought that his claims that good computer systems would make universal coverage possible were the most suspect. Isn't there a lot of evidence that his tech spending at KP has inflated the cost of health care, even above that of other health care insurers who are also pushing tech heavily?

I wonder how the public should be thinking about George Halvorson's suggestions? Are they sincere, self-serving, distracting, red herring, or somewhere in between some or all of those?

p.s. You should consider having a message forum or bulletin board open to your visitors. I don't know what's involved technically or financially in that, but that sort of open forum is really missing when it comes to KP (and maybe California HMOs in general).

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Rubbish!
[info]corphq
2006-12-13 08:33 am UTC (link)
Thank you for your suggestions. Normally I have my computer with me, and I can approve comments fast enough to make this almost like a forum (and I want it to be a forum for Kaiser employees who want to make their concerns heard). Tonight I got a sudden opportunity to hear some of the pioneers of cyberculture speak, and your comment got caught in the gap.

I've been very interested in the AHIP proposal, and earlier today I saw that Halvorson et al were making a similar proposal specifically for California (perhaps a test case?). A prominent California politician, Don Perata, is also putting an "almost universal" health plan on the table. It's possible that these proposals are one and the same - I couldn't tell from the articles, but Perata represents Kaiser territory.

However, health care plan analysis is not my strong point, so I passed the article about Kaiser's CA plan on to Matthew Holt - I look forward to seeing what he does with it.

In terms of tech costs inflating the cost of health care - Kaiser outright admitted this was the case in Hawaii. My question has always been this: if we get to the point where technology does start to save money, will those savings be passed back to the Kaiser members or pocket by the physician shareholders? The secret shame of Kaiser's EMR is that a captive audience has been forced to pay for what the Kaiser honchos internally regard as a venture capital opportunity. Also, Kaiser's population management data enhances the value of that venture, so patients lose control of the cash value of their own information.



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Possible Interim CEO?
(Anonymous)
2006-12-13 07:45 am UTC (link)
It looks like Dr. David Lawrence doesn't have a day job (http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2006/12/11/daily16.html). Maybe he could come back and be Interim CEO for a while?

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Re: Possible Interim CEO?
[info]corphq
2006-12-13 08:37 am UTC (link)
Didn't Kaiser give him the boot for being "too academic"? The organizational culture seems to automatically reject anyone who actually has knowledge, skills, and ideas. ;-)

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[info]corphq
2007-01-31 06:50 am UTC (link)
Thanks for your reply. I did hesitate about letting this comment through because of the link at the bottom. I try to keep commercial stuff out of this blog. However, you seem to be a real person responding to the post, and I didn't want to suppress your comment. If you can edit, please take out the link, though.

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Kaiser and what theyve done
(Anonymous)
2007-06-26 05:46 am UTC (link)
Dear CORPHQ - how do I contact you and tell you another hair raising Kaiser story of HR cover-ups,Director attacks , Hiring of non qualified employees, scheme to let all top employees go, and other awful things that happened too wierd to believe. Many Lies, and three years of complaints all documented to a final nervous breakdown by the employee. Huge coverups, paperwork dissapearing.This case goes to court in a few months and I would like to talk to you.
Contact me at frklikesit@hotmail.com for details and documented proof. I cannot say anything yet due to court soon, but I hope there is no gag on this because its hitting every paper interested.
Recovering

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[info]apeasingorilla
2007-12-11 07:06 pm UTC (link)
As stated in this article:
Problem report: Kaiser IT woes hurt care

"We record encounters on paper and we enter it into the system later," Turkstra said.

how many incorrect entries on a daily basis, by how many kaiser employees, have caused damage to patients and their medical records???????
and here again they ADMIT it........................

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Kaiser in Daly City, California
(Anonymous)
2008-01-07 09:43 pm UTC (link)
This is absolutely the worst service I have ever had at a health care facility. I was misdiagnosed then diagnosed properly with pneumonia! I had to go back to see the doctor and wound up with a fill in physician named Cole who never even listened to my chest. All she did was argue with me and her nurse made faces while reading my chart in front of me. I also experienced rudeness many times while picking up prescriptions in their pharmacy. No, these people don't care about anything at this facility and I suspect it is because the administration at the top is evil and allows it! I went to the ER last year with my daughter and they did not have proper equipment to perform a procedure and when they called to another department for the equipment when it came we found it broken! My daughter suffered unnecessarily and I was threatened by a doctor when I complained! Kaiser needs to be eliminated! They have the worst service and do not care about patients. The dollar is the bottom line. Michael Moore could do a complete movie about Kaiser alone!

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Double Coverage
(Anonymous)
2008-02-05 05:00 am UTC (link)
I find it unbelievable that Kaiser well not reimburse the copay for drugs. Prior years if you had duel coverage you submitted a claim form and were reimbursed. Now consumers seem to have no rights. I pay for extra coverage but I can not completely use both plans. Funny how some copays are more than the cost of the drugs. I have complained to the FTC but they need more complaints before they well act.

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