kaiserfraud ([info]corphq) wrote,
@ 2007-02-12 14:35:00
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Kaiser Thrivicide!
First, I want to thank everyone who has chipped in for my participation in the Health Care Blogging Summit. A few dollars from a lot of people builds up fast, and I'm now confident I'll have the money by the end April. :D

Now on to the horrific example of Kaiser Thrivicide that's currently being discussed everywhere. The patient had been going to Kaiser (Northern California - Roseville) for NINE YEARS, with the complaint that he had lost his sense of smell. The doctors I know say that any third year medical student would immediately consider the possibility of a frontal lobe brain tumor. However, as usual, Kaiser avoided doing the brain scan that's required to rule out that diagnosis (i.e. Kaiser didn't want to spend the money on the necessary test.)

After nine years, a Kaiser doctor finally ordered the tests, and of course the patient had a frontal lobe brain tumor.

Since brain tumors are expensive to treat, Kaiser elected not to consult with the person who had his Power of Attorney for the patient's health care, or anyone else: Kaiser sent the patient directly to a hospice without ordering any further tests or treatment!!!

When his family got to the patient, he was being pumped full of IV Morphine, though he had no pain symptoms! Apparently, even the costs of maintenance without treatment are too much for Kaiser. Suppressing respiration with Morphine will hasten death. And both the hospice move and what looks to me like attempted murder reduced the chances of the patient going to REAL doctors who might try to treat, or even cure this disease.

The patient's family (who have his Power of Attorney) want to move him to a hospital where he can be treated, but Kaiser has been trying to play the family members off each other instead.

The advocacy community is outraged because this is TYPICAL for Kaiser! The doctors at Kaiser avoid diagnosis of an expensive disease, and when its presence becomes impossible to deny, they declare it incurable without proper testing, and then rush them off to "Hospice" to initiate involuntary euthanasia.

This is NOT negligence! This appears to be a premeditated PLAN to save money at the expense of patient lives!

Yet Kaiser rates continue to skyrocket. Patients are paying $$$ for Kaiser's PR thriviness instead of health care!

I've pieced together the story from a number of emails - most of the above is paraphrased or directly quoted from my source. If I've misunderstood anything, I welcome corrections and will act quickly on them.




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(Anonymous)
2007-02-13 01:10 am UTC (link)
Do you have any web sites or sources that document this

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[info]corphq
2007-02-13 02:27 am UTC (link)
I got it from several email lists and sources I know personally (one is related to the victim). I'll ask them about posting some sort of web evidence.

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Kaiser loves that morphine
[info]lookuptwo
2007-02-13 01:19 am UTC (link)
This is NOT negligence! This appears to be a premeditated PLAN to save money at the expense of patient lives!


Unbelievable! OR should I said believable, since it IS Kaiser. I believe and I know, from my own personal experience, that keeping patients alive is MUCH too costly for Kaiser. They also want to fog up the situation with all that morphine they keep pumping you up with so you can't remember details. Instead of giving me an epidural when I continuously asked for one because of having to give birth to My Baby that they let die they decided I needed to just shut up and take another shot of morphine. I was really fearing for my OWN life at this point. I didn't want all of that morphine in my system when I finally was able to come face to face with My Beautiful Little Stillborn Baby.

I wish for once, that they would consider that they are in business to SAVE lives, not take them away.

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Re: Kaiser loves that morphine
[info]corphq
2007-02-13 02:29 am UTC (link)
I know so many people who have been victimized as patients of Kaiser - I just can't believe Thrivicide isn't a big issue. Kaiser is okay as long as you are paying $$$ every month to be told to lose weight and exercise. The minute you have a serious problem, you should flee as fast as you can to a real health care provider.

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Disgusting.
(Anonymous)
2007-02-13 01:52 am UTC (link)
This is horrifying and terrifying. Halvorson's new "cost cutting" measures really are coming at a high cost, as far as I can see.

Very, very sad.

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Re: Disgusting.
[info]corphq
2007-02-13 02:30 am UTC (link)
Yep, but unfortunately unsurprising. :-(

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That's just the beginning!
(Anonymous)
2007-02-13 01:58 am UTC (link)
Is the patient getting treatment now, at all? I imagine soon they'll discover some reason to drop his coverage. Then they'll dump him on the street.

At what point does anybody start connecting the dots? That these aren't just isolated incidents of mistakes. That there is such a push to eliminate expenses and increase income, that it's literally killing (or almost killing) people.

At what point does it stop?

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Re: That's just the beginning!
[info]corphq
2007-02-13 02:31 am UTC (link)
Last I heard, the patient was still untreated in the hospice. But the family was trying to use the Power of Attorney to get him out. I will update if I find out.

I totally agree about CONNECTING THE DOTS!

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Re: That's just the beginning!
(Anonymous)
2007-02-14 01:21 am UTC (link)
I believe they did already dump him on the street. I understand this man was seen driving the van...

http://www.wbgh.com/conference05/photos/57.jpg
http://www.ftapia.com/portfolio/Images/Corporate/CEOKaiser.jpg

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Re: That's just the beginning!
[info]corphq
2007-02-14 02:44 am UTC (link)
LOL - good one!

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"Dissecting" Kaiser Permanente's "woes"
(Anonymous)
2007-02-15 06:55 am UTC (link)
http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2007/02/12/newscolumn4.html?t=printable (http://sanfrancisco.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2007/02/12/newscolumn4.html?t=printable)

Sounds like Mary Ann Thode is hitting the speakers circuit. I suppose that, having been smack in the middle of healthcare's woes for the last few years, she is uniquely qualified to talk about them.

I find her candor that Kaiser "still has a lot of work to do" too close to honest, and I bet KP's public relations flacks will soon be clarifying her comments. Nevertheless, she's right about the "lot of work to do" part... Not killing people, not dropping their coverage when they need it the most, and not dumping sick patients on skid row is a lot of work...

"Bend the trend." Hurry! Kaiser Permanente is spending too much on caring for people. Must cut costs to spend billions more on Halvorson's Legacy, Healthcare Hal (née "HealthConnect"). Must have enough "margin" to cover the publishing costs for the CEO's next blah book.

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Kaiser is not big on finding new problems.
(Anonymous)
2007-02-15 06:13 pm UTC (link)
I have a rare autoimmune disorder. Thus far, no known treatment, but there are ways to mitigate the symptoms. Recently, a member of our support group stated that she'd been to yet another Kaiser doctor, with sheaves of information in hand about this disorder. The doctor agreed "it looks like that could be what you have". She asks "so, is that my diagnosis?". The doctor says "no, we're not certain.". She asks, how can that be, there are hundreds of people with this diagnosis?

The doctor says there is no definitive way to diagnose this condition, so she'll not get a diagnosis.

She goes later to another doctor, who is honest enough to admit Kaiser is not big on diagnosing new problems, especially those for which there is no ready (read: fast and inexpensive) treatment.

One can only hope doctors like that get fed up enough to leave Kaiser and write a tell-all rather than being swayed by the insane money Kaiser doctors make compared to their equally qualified peers (please note I use EQUALLY QUALIFIED quite intentionally).

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hospice + involuntary euthansia
(Anonymous)
2007-02-27 05:03 am UTC (link)
As a former hospice nurse, I can assure you that hospice never initiates euthanasia - in any form - voluntary or otherwise. We believe adequate treatment of pain, improves the quality of life- it does not hasten death.

No one at hospice would "pump up a patient so full of morphine that it would
suppress their respirations". That is why patients are monitored for the correct balance of pain relief and over sedation.

Your article is otherwise good but when you include inflammatory or untrue things, it bleeds away at the credibility of the entire article.

Thanks
Charlynn

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Re: hospice + involuntary euthansia
[info]corphq
2007-02-27 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Thanks so much for sharing this.

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Re: hospice + involuntary euthansia
(Anonymous)
2007-03-11 08:20 am UTC (link)
I wish I could agree with you but I cant. My experience with Hospice was that they overmedicated my mother and hastened her death. I saw it as that through my eyes of a critical care nurse. When I asked them to slow down the dose they increased it. Its sad but true. the only thng I can say is that they saw movement and noise as signs of pain and i saw them as a cry for help to live more and stay awake.

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Re: hospice + involuntary euthansia
(Anonymous)
2007-10-19 06:12 am UTC (link)
My mom is a lung cancer patient at Kaiser. We found out she was stage 2 in late July and by september hospice was pushing us to start funeral arrangements and pump her with morphine. I feel they want her to die as soon as possible for their own financial reasons.

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